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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #30 - Mar 3rd, 2010, 5:56pm
 
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #31 - Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:09pm
 
Quote from scotlandyardkennel on Mar 3rd, 2010, 3:06pm:
I leave it to you how you will classify my enthusiasm of owning, breeding and exhibiting Boston terriers. If people in the club will insist of their old ways, there will be no reason for other enthusiasts like me of arguing with what you believe in.  Beside, enthusiasts are “thinking” enthusiast.  Smiley

Mahirap mag-salita lalo na invited lang ako ng few friendly club members in attending the meeting last February 27, 2010.  I think the reasons of owning, breeding and exhibiting Boston Terriers is not as important as reviving a dormant club and encouraging more enthusiasts to join the said club to be able to learn from their experiences of having Boston Terriers.  Smiley

 
I'd like to clear some things. Reviving the club is the idea of Ryan Roque. The former members of the dormant club namely Paul, Mike and Doris were invited to help out as Jerry was. If we think about it, there would really be no need for Paul, Mike and Doris to join us as they have continously uplifted the breed despite the so-called dormancy of the club. We are very grateful to the trio for their assitance in breathing life back to the club.
 
Please me believe me, Jerry, that we invited you to join us with sincerity. We very pleased that you have been exhibiting your boston terriers these past months and winning, too. We know that you are one of us. We believe that you are a true boston enthusiast.  
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #32 - Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:37pm
 
I've been driving a lot lately and it seems that I'm I bit outdated in this thread. hehehe
 
anyway, the beautiful coastline of Southern Leyte had made my 300KM+ travels worthwhile plus the fact that I'm driving alone had given me a lot of time to think.
 
Doris, of course dogs with hereditary diseases should also be spayed/neutered.  That is where i will answer Scotlandyard's query with regards to genetic testing.  Right now, there is no facility within our beautiful country that can test for Juvenile Cataract or Early Onset Hereditary Cataracts.  If my research is correct, there is only ONE entity in the world that can do this genetic testing which is the Animal Health Trust in England.  It costs 70 UK pounds per test, though it says there that 20% discount will be given if there will be 20 or more samples submitted together.  Now, this is where our club can be of big importance.  If the mother club would be able to gather all it's members and have our dogs tested, we can avail of the discount! I actually e-mailed them 2 years ago and I received a reply from them.  
 
Now, if in case our dogs will be "CLEAR", then there will be no more testings for the progenies of these "cleared" dogs.  Of course, if a dog will be tested as "AFFECTED" then by all means that dog should not be bred at all.  Then, if a dog will be tested as "CARRIER", either you still breed him or not, but if you decide to still breed that dog, then you should test all of that dog's progenies to identify who are CLEAR, CARRIER and AFFECTED.  
 
I hope that I'm making everybody see the big picture here.
 
That we are only talking about 1 health concerns.  There are still Patellar Luxation, BAER testing etc. What I want to say here is that if we organize ourselves we are helping each other.  
 
Let us start from scratch.  I have no right to say anything about the previous BTCP since I've never been a part of it.  What I'm looking forward is to be a part of the NEW BTCP and let us all move forward!
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #33 - Mar 3rd, 2010, 8:45pm
 
I would like to apologize to everyone that I'm the one who is making this thing move yet I cannot join you physically.
 
I'am overwhelmed by the ongoing discussions and I hope that at the end of the day everyone will be part of the club.  
 
The restrictions suggested is not meant to discriminate any dogs or to favor any particular breeder, but is needed to protect the Boston Terrier breed which we all love.  I know someone from Bacolod (although based in Vienna) that is trying to get a very good line in Europe and bring it over here.
 
The "restriction/s" is/are like a bitter pill to swallow that is necessary to advance the breed.  These "restrictions" are already being practiced by the Boston Terrier Club of America, so why can't we?  I know, we can't follow everything especially in the health testing area but realistically speaking we can adopt it and implement it here if we really want to.
 
It would have been a perfect set up if only PCCI would get BTCP's approval before giving out certicication/pedigree so as to assure that quality and well bred Bostons are the only one registered.  Unfortunately, this isn't the case.  PCCI is not here to protect and advance the breed.  They will not hold seminars about the breed and won't look after if a Boston is genetically free from diseases and is healthy.  We only have ourselves to do these things.  Nobody else except US!
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #34 - Mar 4th, 2010, 8:02am
 
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I have more expectations from the members than from the club.  I mean the success of the club will depend on the unity among members and how serious and honest the intention of each member in protecting and advancing the breed.
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #35 - Mar 4th, 2010, 12:36pm
 
ryan, thank you for the enlightening explanation on genetic testing.  I'm impressed with the research you have done on it! Smiley  
 
What I was leading to earlier was my curiosity on where we want to draw the line.  For instance, in our current situation where genetic testing for the trait is a bit malabo pa, our main indicator is only when the disease actually shows up in our breeding.  And if 1 of the dogs we produce has the disease, that means 1 or both of its parents carry the gene, right?  
 
Most of us have been clear that the dog manifesting the disease itself should not be bred.  And for me at least I would not repeat the same combination of the dam and sire.  But can we breed the carrier parent (assuming we are able to identify him/her) to other dogs again?  What about the siblings (I'm not good with genetics--does it mean that all siblings carry the gene?)?  Do we stop breeding all carriers of the genes altogether, or just be very discriminating about breeding them?
 
The reason I ask is because I have heard instances of said genetic diseases already manifesting among dogs from our present lines.  I will be very frank in saying that I suspect they may also be present in MY line.  Most of you know I have no plans of breeding in the near future, but I am concerned about the possibility of severely limiting our already limited breeding stock versus the risk of continuing passing on the trait, not to mention the issue of implementation with respect to all the new homes of the carrier dogs that may have had plans of breeding or have already bred said dogs.
 
I apologize that this has gone slightly OT beyond the original purpose of this thread.  I just wanted to get everyone's insight as my feelings have been rather ambivalent on the matter.
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #36 - Mar 4th, 2010, 7:14pm
 
Hi Doris!  No need to apologize!  Your concern is valid that's why we need to discuss everything.
 
Assuming that all of us will avail of the testing, there are three categories to which our dogs will be classified. 1) CLEAR 2) CARRIER 3) AFFECTED.
 
CLEAR-  A dog has 2 copies of the normal gene and will neither develop Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract, nor pass a copy of the Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract gene to any of its offspring.
 
CARRIER-  A dog has one copy of the normal gene and one copy of the mutant gene that causes Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract.  It will not develop Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract but will pass on the Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract gene to 50% (on average) of its offspring.
 
AFFECTED- A dog has two copies of the Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract mutation and is affected with Early-Onset Hereditary Cataract.
 
BELOW ARE THE SCENARIOS OF BREEDING CLEAR dog to a CARRIER dog and a CARRIER to CARRIER breeding.  
 
CLEAR (XX) will be bred to CARRIER (XY)  
possible offspring = XX, XY, XX, XY (50% of the pups will be CLEAR and the other 50% will be CARRIER)
 
CARRIER (XY) will be bred to CARRIER (XY)  
possible offspring = XX, XY, XY, YY (25% of the pups will be CLEAR, 50% will be CARRIER and 25% will be AFFECTED)
 
My suggestions:
 
If an individual decides to do this breeding (CLEAR to CARRIER and/or CARRIER to CARRIER), their offspring will be subjected to genetic testing to identify which pups are CLEAR, CARRIER and AFFECTED.  
 
It would be wise for an individual to breed CLEAR to CLEAR since there's no need to test their offspring for the EOHC, meaning no added cost for the testing.
 
If our club will be established, I'm proposing that we create a HEALTH COMMITTEE, similar with that of the BTCA,  that will issue health certificates to all dogs owned by the club's members.  In the health certificate will include if the dog is clear of EOHC either by lineage (both parents are CLEAR) or by testing.  In the future, we may also add requirements for patellar luxation, Hip Dysplasia testing etc.
 
It may sound expensive and too much to ask.  Yes, but we may start from one then add another and we will put a time frame until everyone is ready for this.  For example, Let us all agree that by year 2012, our dogs should have been tested for EOHC, then by 2013 we will be requiring the patellar luxation examination and so on and so forth.
 
I will try to be in Manila by the month's end so I can share more my views and suggestions.  For the meantime, keep on posting! Everyone is encouraged to participate, this is a no-holds-barred discussion and be open.  walang personalan kumbaga.          
 
 
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #37 - Mar 9th, 2010, 7:51pm
 


 
I believe that everyone is  in agreement that our MAIN objective for the club is TO PROMOTE THE BETTERMENT OF THE BOSTON TERRIER BREED. With that said, I suggest  that we establish the club even without the so-called ‘numbers’.
 
Kahit magkaiba tayo ng dahilan kung bakit tayo nahihilig sa boston terriers, iisa lang naman talaga ang gusto natin para sa club. Ang mapaganda pa at ma-maintain ang boston terriers dito sa Pilipinas. Kaya iminumungkahi ko na itayo natin ang club sa kadahilanang ito.
 
Kaya ba natin ito kahit iilan lang tayo? Ilang taon na rin na Promise Land at Pebble Hills lang ang nagtataguyod ng boston terriers dito sa Pilipinas. Kahit dadalawa lang sila, napaganda pa nila ang boston terriers dito sa atin. Nagawa nila ito dahil mahal nila ang boston terriers. Kaya natin itayo ang club dahil mahal din natin ang boston terriers!
 
Kaya sa susunod na meeting, I suggest that we officially establish the club. People who will join that meeting will be the principal members of the club. Anyone wishing to join the club thereafter shall only be accepted if sponsored by 2-3 principal members.
 
People who have an interest in boston terriers even if they do not actually own a boston terrier can join the meeting and also join the club as regular members.
 
As for the guidelines, which has been the subject of concern with some people, I suggest that we vote on the on each guideline. Any guideline that we unanimously agreed upon shall be part of our official guidelines.  On the other hand, any guideline that we cannot agreed on unanimously shall be subjected to further deliberation until a compromise is finally met.
 
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #38 - Mar 11th, 2010, 4:54pm
 
if one needs a reason why is there a need for a more vigorous club, take a look at this thread, tsk tsk tsk :
 
http://forum.dog-tracker.com/YaBB.pl?num=1268237904/0#0
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Reply #39 - Mar 11th, 2010, 8:38pm
 
Looking forward.  I know that there are still a lot of work to be done.  But the longer it takes for us to take action would mean a bigger problem for us to solve.
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Reply #40 - Mar 16th, 2010, 6:09am
 
Our goal is to produce a wonderful, beautiful and a healthy boston terrier that is well within the breed standards. I hope that having this club, it would let us share our point of views, stories, experience with the breed, and our best practices to each member of the club.
 
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Reply #41 - Mar 16th, 2010, 1:29pm
 
I suggest the following concrete steps to formalize the organization of the club:
 
- list of members and contact info
- create/choose/vote upon a mission vision
- list all the provisions you suggest to be in the code of ethics and vote on them to see what will be initially included
- then maybe we can start initial stages of planning an activitySmiley
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Re: Boston Terrier Club Guidelines
Reply #42 - Mar 18th, 2010, 6:41pm
 
Quote from Kitty on Mar 16th, 2010, 1:29pm:
I suggest the following concrete steps to formalize the organization of the club:

- list of members and contact info
- create/choose/vote upon a mission vision
- list all the provisions you suggest to be in the code of ethics and vote on them to see what will be initially included
- then maybe we can start initial stages of planning an activitySmiley

 
I agree with Kitty.
 
I suggest we settle this issues on March 21 at PCCI Activity Center in Marikina.
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Reply #43 - Mar 18th, 2010, 8:10pm
 
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I agree with Kitty.

I suggest we settle this issues on March 21 at PCCI Activity Center in Marikina.

 
Count me in! But March 20 ata ang Toy?
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Reply #44 - Mar 19th, 2010, 2:12pm
 
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Count me in! But March 20 ata ang Toy?

 
Nalito na ako. May show din pala sa 20. When do you guys plan to show? Doon ako pupunta.
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