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Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Jan 6th, 2010, 9:40pm
 
Ano po ba ang GREEN mark and RED mark?
Thanks po sa sasagot  Tongue
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2010, 10:44am
 
A dog's name in red marks on the pedigree signify a title (Champion, Grand Champion, Hall of Fame).
 
A dog's name in green marks signify an award of merit (sire of merit, dam of merit = the dog has produced a certain number of titled offspring).
 
 
Check out this thread:
http://forum.dog-tracker.com/YaBB.pl?num=1201179317/0
 
 
Please note TallyTals' earlier post on the subject:
 
Quote from TallyTals on Jan 24th, 2008, 9:07pm:
The number of red or green marks DO NOT dictate how wonderful or ugly your dog might turn out to be.

The only importance I see of red or green marks to a regular pet owner, is maybe a show off point. As in "my dog came from so and so (insert name and preferred color of mark here)."

To a breeder, or more to a point a puppymiller or BYB, of course, it's an excuse to charge more.

To an honest breeder who breeds to improve the breed, it could be a stepping stone. He could use it to further his own lines, studying those champions or producers, breeding more champions, improving upon his or her dogs.

Again though. More red or green DOES NOT equal beauty. You could breed the two best-est most-est beautiful-est dogs in the world and you could get one hell of an ugly S.O.B. (quite literally). What it does though is somewhat assure you of the quality of the line that you get. Maybe not in looks, but in temperament, health, longevity.
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #2 - Jan 21st, 2010, 10:36am
 
These are practically unimportant really. Hehe.
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2010, 2:43pm
 
I beg to differ.  
 
The question really is what these marks mean to owners. A casual dog lover would not even bother with all the names listed on the pedigree much more the colors of the names.
 
But a serious breeder, looking after breed conformity, health, and lineage; these marks are quite important.
Red marks would indicate that the lineage of the dog, at the very least, conforms to the standards and were judged in shows to prove this point. Dogs without red marks tell us that the lineage has never been tested in conformity, some of these dogs might have physical abnormalities and hereditary diseases. And when bred, some of these traits could show up again.  
 
Green marks tell us that offspring from them are, at the very least, within the standards of conformity for the breed. Rest easy knowing that offspring from a green mark are more likely to not have hereditary diseases and physical abnormalities. And when you breed to/from green marks, you will most likely get a good litter, basing on conformity.
 
So, if any have experienced your dog or a friends dog giving birth to abnormal pups or runts (which are now called teacups). Take a look at the pedigree and most probably a whole lot more black than reds and greens.  
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2010, 4:25pm
 
Yes, colored marks can shed some light on the background of the dog and can increase likelihood of quality.  But we are talking about likelihood, meaning chance, not a guarantee.  60% may be better than 10% but if you fall into the other 40%, tough.  
 
Also, a dog is not checked for genetic diseases in order to attain a conformation title.  It is up to the breeder's ethics to be conscientious about this.  And champion does not always mean excellent quality (dogs who won by entering substandard dogs to get points from or become champions through switching), and excellent quality dog does not always mean good producer.
 
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Green marks tell us that offspring from them are, at the very least, within the standards of conformity for the breed. Rest easy knowing that offspring from a green mark are more likely to not have hereditary diseases and physical abnormalities. And when you breed to/from green marks, you will most likely get a good litter, basing on conformity.

 
All green marks tell us is that a particular number of offsprings of that dog achieved titles.  It doesn't mean all or even majority of her pups are good quality.  A bitch can have dozens of substandard pups with only 3 nice pups and still get that green mark.  Also, a bitch that produced well in the past will not necessarily produce the same quality when bred to another male, even if that male is a Sire of Merit.
 
What IS a pointless activity is counting the number of colored marks thinking that more is better.  For what is the point of an increased likelihood if or when what you get in actuality still falls short?  There are many dogs with numerous colored marks in their pedigree that are substandard and ill-bred/have genetic diseases.  There are no shortcuts.   A breeder must make a thorough study and assessment of the individual dog and his/her line.  
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2010, 4:47pm
 
I agree with Kitty. Especially on the importance and weight of the dam and sire.  
 
I guess one question we need to answer is
 
Does having more red and/or green marks increase the chances of the offspring being within the breed standard and lessen chances of problems?
 
I think the answer is Yes.
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Re: Question about GREEN mark and RED mark
Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2010, 5:18pm
 

We may also consider the prepotency of the sire/dam.  This means that a sire/dam is prepotent because no matter which sire/dam you breed the prepotent on, the prepotent will improve on the sire/dam.  But of course this should be taken into the context of proper breeding practices.  A prepotent sire/dam maybe popular but if it carries an errant gene - this gene may also unknowingly be exponentially spread to the gene pool, especially that of the prepotent sire.
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