Hi, Im new here in this forum.  I am really interested to pet/own a Bullmastiff and Im sure you can help me out, especially the professional breeders here.
 
A friend of mine will get a Bullmastiff with this breeder but turned it down last minute when he saw the pups because according to him, the breeders pups are too small boned and skinny with bloated tummy. and the pups are already 2 months old.
 
The breeder has papers and vet records and he is selling his pups for only 10k.  How can someone be sure that the papers are real?
 
Is this pure or fake?
 
 
You can check it at url  now...under Puppies for Sale. The seller is  Tirsok.  
 
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt207/tirsok/DSC03154.jpg
 
http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt207/tirsok/DSC03140.jpg
 
 
 
Any comment will help.  Just asking for opinion here.  Thanks

Quote from Gunner on Nov 12^th, 2009, 2:34am:

 
 
ang dami litters for sale pala ng breeder...of different breeds...interesting.  
 
would like to give an objective answer to your query....paano malalaman kung fake and papers? if its just the paper itself, you can borrow the paper and bring it PCCI so they can verify it. parang perang papel yan na may security markings. but if the question is kung yung papel ng aso ay specific to the pup being sold, imposible itong ma confirm unless kilala mong credible na breeder ang kausap mo. "credibility" of the breeder ang importante dito.
 
as to vet records, you can get that anywhere and have stickers on it kahit walang totoong shots. again, depende ito sa "credibility" ng seller.  
 
pure or mixed? mahirap itong verify. i've seen a few litters that doesn't look like bullmastiff pups that you see on the internet and i've seen the parents...bullmastiff naman.  Maraming factors for having pups look that way they look....pwedeng napabayaan (breeder is not familiar with taking care of large breed pups), pwede ding too heavy on breeding and/or line breeding, or incompatible genes lang, or hindi lang talaga maganda mag labas ng pups ang dam, pwede ding nasingitan ng ibang aso if the bitch is not secure, or pwedeng unhealthy lang talaga. im sure the other forumers can think of a lot more reasons why pups looks can be questionable to the buyer.  
 
bottomline, ang pinaka importante sa akin ay ang kredibilidad ng breeder/seller.  kung ang breeder /seller ay knowledgeable sa breed nya, he would know who to pair up and how to take care of the pups when they're whelped.  he should also know how they should look like at certain milestones.    
ang palagi mong makikitang suggestion ay to "read and read and read more on the breed standards and how to take care of giant breeds".  
 
lastly, tama ang gawa mo, join discussion groups like this one na may mga experienced breeders so you get tips that comes from experience and not from the books  I'm not saying that all breeders are experienced breeders, you should learn to accept all and learn to filter out things that may seem not fit.  
 
goodluck on your search and wag madali  
 

Quote from Gunner on Nov 12^th, 2009, 2:34am:

 
 
I think pure breed naman yung pup. Kasi nakapag labas na din ng ganyang puppy yung bullma ko kaso hindi rin nabuhay. Sa tingin ko kaya ganyan yung itsura nung puppy ay dahil baka under nourished yung puppy. Or pwede rin nasa genes na ng sire and dam kaya meron lumalabas na ganyang puppy.  
 

Quote from Gunner on Nov 12^th, 2009, 4:26pm:

 
 
Pero sa tingin ko sir mas malaking factor yung genes nung sire and dam kaya ganyan itsura nung pups.

Guys, I just wanna share this to you.  Last night I got a male Bullmastiff puppy from this breeder.  Yes, he has a variety of litters and i think they are quite doing well.  I am new here and I am really planning to join this group after I bought this puppy.  
 
Last night, when my girlfriend and i got this puppy, talagang sobrang excited kami to take one home.  So we talked to the breeder and his wife and they are easy to talk with.  I got it for P10,000. Yes, the puppy is really small and has a big pot belly.  I was informed by the breeder that they're not worms but food.  Well, being ignorant aside, i was convinced.  It was one of my exciting moments, to own a BM.  
 
This afternoon at my place....sad to say...the world turned around.   The puppy got sick, has colds already.  coughing and his poop is liquid.  Hours passes by...my puppy is getting really really weak.  I went to places and consulted Vets and other people.  I even called the breeder's wife since the breeder was not home that time.
 
Finally, i went to a long time Vet and brought the puppy with me.  He made some minor check up and concluded that it was not food...more of worms.  He also gave me a prescription for the pup's colds.  Now, he wants me to go back tomorrow since the vet is closed and check for possible Heartworm since the dog is already coughing and showing signs of vomiting.  
 
Sinabi ko to sa breeder.  Of course, he will not admit any faults.  He was saying that all who got his pups are doing well. ...well not to me.  I did not even asked for any refund from him. All i want is for my puppy to live.
 
Pupunta ako sa vet ko bukas.  I hope he can make it til tomorrow after showing these signs.  I guess I will charge this to experience na rin ito.  yes, i got a cheap puppy....now I will get an expensive Vet service if he cannot make it.
 
Hope this will serve us a lesson.  

Thanks for the advice Scooby.  Yes, nagmadali ako masyado and hindi na ko nakapagtanong sa iba.  Since i am a newbie in this breed.  Di rin ako naging aware sa mga events or dog shows ng mg bullmastiff. Ganon  ang ginawa ko before sa Golden Retriever ko before.  I made the right chose.  
 
Anyway, to give you an update,  I talked again to the breeder this morning and informed him regarding the status of the pup.  After a long discussion, they made a deal and exchange the pup.  It was larger than the first one but I don't really care about the size.  All i wanted was a healthy puppy.
 
The breeder and his wife are really considerate.  Thanks to them.  Now, to answer Gunner's point of view if this is a pure Bullma or mixed.....it is PURE BRED PO.  To check this, i went to the owner of the sire, Meynard.  He confirmed to me that their pups are pure.  The breeder is telling the truth.  Turned out lang...his pups are really small.
 

Quote from PackLeader on Nov 13^th, 2009, 11:59am:

 
welcome to the forum packleader. its not too late to learn about the breed kahit nakakuha ka na. i guess you've read most, if not all suggestions here or at other threads.  for the meantime, tama lang that you focus on the health of the pup muna.  if the pup is 2 months old, hindi pa complete ang shots nyan so a lot of things can happen since mahina pa ang immune system nila especially from the pictures that were posted earlier. also, a 2-month old pup will not show a credible heartworm result so i suggest you dont spend money on a heartworm test dahil sayang lang.  culprits ng puppy deaths at this age are more on parvovirus. but if pup is given a vaccination shot within a span of 2 weeks, hindi rin accurate ang parvo test kit.  you might want to try another vet and get a second opinion. very few tests kasi will show accurate readings at this stage and most if not all tests are expensive.  hopefully, they're just worms and they'll start getting better in 3 to 4 days if given the proper medication.  keep us posted on the pup's condition. goodluck!  
 

Zvian, Yes, sya yung taga Kingspoint.  I went there to check the sire.  According to Meynard,  payat daw yung dam. One of the reasons why malnourished yung mga pups.  Another consideration is the litter size.  The dam had 10 pups.
 
Yes, I looked at the old threads here.  Very helpful sa akin.  
 
Thank you.
 
I will post a picture soon if everything is well.